Saturday, February 09, 2008


INDYMEDIA REDUX:
SLANDERS ON ANARCHISM:
Regular readers of this blog will be fully aware on my opinion about the disgraceful state of Winnipeg Indymedia and the Indymedia network in general (see our archives for Dec. 20, 2007, Dec 14, 2007, Feb 24, 2007, Jan 15, 2007 and Dec. 22, 2006). In a time when anarchism has basically become the radical left, at least in North America and most of Europe, various flotsam from the shipwrecks of history inevitably try their hand at dipping into this pool in hopes of recruiting. This includes not just the old laundry list of Marxist-Leninist parties, desperate to get a recruit, any recruit, for their failed dreams of becoming a new ruling class. Even more repulsively it includes various neo-Nazi outfits and individuals who have exploited the vague leftism that too many anarchists hold to to try and turn opposition to Israeli state policies into outright anti-semitism. One of the major playpens of these reptiles is the Indymedia network, and they have been instrumental in not just corrupting the original ideal of Indymedia- an alternative news source for thoise who make news locally but are not reported by the mainstream media- but have also been the cause of the shutdown of many Indymedia sites. Unfortunately the "moderators" of most Indymedia sites, while they may claim "sympathy" for anarchism, simply don't have the ideological (and personal moral) "backbone" to reject this infiltration outright. Not surprising given the fact that far too much of what they see as "anarchism" is barely-thought-out leftist fashion (Israel Bad-Palestinian organizations Good).
Molly has been fighting this since before she started this blog in 2006, and she intends to keep on going in her own uniquely nasty way. For a statement about "leftist anti-semitism" and just how repulsive it is see 'Making Resistance to Anti-Semitism Part of All Our Movements' in the TEXTS section of our links. What is "new" in this is that some have come to take the example of what happens with Indymedia to slander anarchism, as if it was responsible for this mess rather than vague leftism. My comrade Larry Gambone of the Porkupine Blog has sent a circular about one instance of this on the Socialist Unity site. Larry has responded as has Molly. If you are an anarchist reader of this blog think about popping over and adding your own two cents worth. The basis of the accusation is that "anarchism doesn't believe in organization", that the Indymedia types are "anarchists of a sort" (yeah, "a sort" but not part of the historical tradition of anarchism), and that , therefore, anarchism is implicated in anti-semitism. As Molly has said above, the anti-semitism that such sites allow (and the very allowing of it) comes much more from mindless leftist crowd following than from anything that could be described as "anarchism". Anyways, have a look.

24 comments:

Larry Gambone said...

Good show Molly! I would like to add that neo-Nazis and anti-Semites/Holocaust deniers spare no effort in trying to worm their way into discussion groups or to use people for their ends. I don't think we can be too careful about this. At one time I would have considered such an opinion too "politically correct", but experience has made me very hard-nosed about this. It is better to be hard-nosed about these types than allow the situation in Indymedia to happen again.

Werner said...

This is another result of the "tolerate everyone and everything" bullshit that cripples everything that is left of Ghengis Khan. The same thing happens when liberalish employers hire sociopathic or incompetent employees and everyone else has to fight to get rid of them. (my experience).

Toban said...

There are posts about this on the London, Ontario Indymedia mailing list:
http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/london-ontario-imc/2008-February/date.html

The list isn't there for discussions like this, so if you want to respond to any of the messages there please do so through a comment on this blog. I'll point out your comment to the list subscribers.

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I bothered to have a look at the "debate" over at London (Ontario)Indymedia. I wish I hadn't. It brought back bad memories of when I first became an anarchist in the early 70s, when whatever anarchists there were were vastly outnumbered by Leninist thugs, and we spent an inordinate amount of time argueing with these fools. That time is long past, and the historical remains of Leninism, at least in Canada, are so obscure and tiny that 99.999% of the population can easily live lifetimes without having the foggiest clue that they exist. In the year of our Lord, 2008, it is anarchism that defines the "left" beyond social democracy, and the Leninists are reduced to whatever sniping they can muster. THAT is a very good thing. Not that anarchism is at the height of popularity either, but at least it has potential, something that it will NEVER achieve if it wants to play footsies with commies. You're judged by the company you keep.
I'm very happy that the commies are reduced to the level they are at. The main "answer" to my post was from some sort of Maoist (the language gave him away-the "Mass Line" is a queue/line leading to death camps that are filled as fast as the "workers' bureaucracy" can fill in the paperwork). The world of left wing sectarianism is such a sad, pathetic, tiny, claustrophobic world where reptiles that were once human fight over degraded scraps of illusionary credibility. I am glad that I haven't had to deal with this crap in decades.
The poster begins his little "reply" by saying that "Molly seems out of her depth here". Good, and very good. Quite frankly you cannot get any "deeper" than Maoism- MUCH lower than a snake's ass in a coal mine. I have NEVER disguised my anti-communism (which the Maoist thinks is an horrible thing as per the juvenile catechism-all of it bullshit- he reads back to say how is Party is so different from the Trots). This despite the fact that the mention of Marxism-Leninism was very much of a peripheral thing in the original post. But this character is frothing at the mouth to make some debating points in that tiny little sick world he lives in. Typical. Before they get around to murdering millions of innocent victims Stalinists in power jump in on day one to murder Trotskyists.
If anybody deserves an apology here for "misrepresentation" it is the Trots. Prick a Stalinist with the historical examples of his sort of criminals in power, and you get lies that make those of the Nazi Holocaust deniers pale by comparison. Stalinist crimes were vastly larger in magnitude than those of the Nazis. YES, here and now I'll say it. I have been campaigning for years against fascist infiltration of "the left", BUT the Stalinists ARE FAR WORSE THAN THE NAZIS. Their lies are far greater. The perversion of Marxism begun by Lenin was perhaps the greatest historical tragedy the world has ever seen. If a present day left is NOT anti-communist it doesn't deserve the name of "left".
Back when she was young Molly remembers that there were some "anarchists" who expressed sympathy for the Maoists. The reason, the ONLY reason, was that the Maoists were, at that time, the most violence prone group around, and boy did these people like to fight. No doubt that sort of thing still continues today, but it is just as childish as the religious cultism masquerading as politics practiced by most Maoists today. Today anarchists who are mistakenly taken up with "revolutionary play-acting" have little need to hitch their wagon to the exceedingly dead horse (quite well putrified) of the cultish remnants of Maoism.
OK, have I made it plain enough ? I think there is NO reason to have any truck with modern-day Nazis. After they get around to denying that Hitler killed 7 millions Jews they also, as an afterthought, say he didn't kill the other 7 million other people. In power they would do similar things again. The SAME applies to unreconstructed Stalinists when they deny Stalin's 25 million, Mao's 50 million and the quarter of the population of Cambodia slaughtered under the Kymer Rouge.The latter is the GREATEST kill ever made by a tyranny on its own people. Yes, Stalin did succeed in totallly exterminating some small nations in his empire,but NOT a quarter of the Soviet Empire. These people out-Nazi the Nazis. In comparison to this the Trots are squeeky clean. The main problem with them (besides their destructive effect on day-to-day politics) is that their power would inevitably open the door to people far worse than them, as the Russian experience demonstrated.
Unless there is a clean and obvious break with these sorts of remanants of the totalitarian left ordinary people will be JUSTLY suspicious of any practical anarchism that might develop in the years to come. History actually has happened, despite the attempts of liars to say that it hasn't. ANY anarchism that hopes for a real presence in the world HAS to establish its anti-totalitarian credentials clearly. Anti-communism is a great and good thing !!!!!

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