tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32250954.post8376055882145115420..comments2024-03-12T02:18:53.121-07:00Comments on Molly'sBlog: mollymewhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10608757779720671118noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32250954.post-16964234505953099402008-12-30T00:15:00.000-08:002008-12-30T00:15:00.000-08:00THE YULE GOAT: God Almighty I love this trail....THE YULE GOAT:<BR/> God Almighty I love this trail. What we DO know of Scandanavian mythology dates from as late as the 11th century (considerably later than the 3rd and 4th century St. Nicolas), but it is interesting nonetheless. This was the time of the transition to Christianity in Scandanavia. <BR/> I have been unable to find any firm date for the introduction of the goat into Scandanavia,though it is indeed mentioned in the accounts of Norse mythology that we have ie it predates the 1000s. Having dealt with goats in a veterinary aspect in the past I have found that the present agricultural population of Sweden confirms my idea of their "ill-adaption" to northern climes. Apparently the present sheep population of Sweden is about 400,000 while the goat population is 3,000 !!!!! Here in Canada we obviously have better systems of keeping the buggers alive.<BR/> All this, of course, says nothing about the "aesthetic" value of the "Yule Goat" versus the Tomte. One thing I DID find in my research is the "Gavle Goat". It's a wicker goat that is built each year in Sweden, and its construction is a challenge for various "vandals" (heroes in another point of view) to burn down. Quite frankly I cannot think of anything in my own boring country, Canada, that equals this yearly contest between the authorities and those who take authority as a challenge. Long live Sweden !!!!!!mollymewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10608757779720671118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32250954.post-69138180235504135552008-12-29T23:23:00.000-08:002008-12-29T23:23:00.000-08:00Hi Altemark, I did indeed have a look, but to ...Hi Altemark,<BR/> I did indeed have a look, but to me the Tomte seems to have a "prehistory" at least as ancient as that of the "Christmas Goat/julbocken". The "modern" form of the Tomte seems to date from the 1800s. In that you are quite right, but it still seems a shame to me to lose that particular image in favour of the American "Santa Claus". The image of the original St. Nicolas(totally seperate from our 'Santa Claus'), of course,predates anything that can be established about ancient Scandanavian beliefs, even from archeology.<BR/> For myself I "like" the image of the Christmas Goat, and I'm happy you pointed this out. If you are Swedish good luck to you on bringing this image into the modern world. Til then I will take the compromise of the Tomte as very much better than Santa Claus for many reasons. <BR/> Happy Goat Day or "Goatmas" ?????? It brings up all sorts of questions. When were goats introduced into Scandanavia ? Goats can survive a Canadian prairie winter WITH SHELTER PROVIDED BY HUMANS, but could they survive an admittedly much milder Scandanavian winter without human intervention ? That's something else for Molly to look up. Many trails to be followed here.mollymewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10608757779720671118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32250954.post-32686833502723163152008-12-27T06:39:00.000-08:002008-12-27T06:39:00.000-08:00Hi! Actually the Tomte is a very recent invention ...Hi! Actually the Tomte is a very recent invention - it replaced the ancient "julbocken" which was the main symbol of christmas - it may even date to pre-christan days - read up on it<BR/><BR/>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yule_GoatM. Ottemarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17500237679068033030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32250954.post-70828396644361102452008-12-26T06:47:00.000-08:002008-12-26T06:47:00.000-08:00Dear Molly,Please Check our links Greece solidari...Dear Molly,<BR/>Please Check our links <A HREF="http://www.serbestyazarlar.com/?p=1614" REL="nofollow"> Greece solidarity News From Turkey</A><BR/>And releated category.<BR/>ThanksRüyacıhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11447458442087630491noreply@blogger.com